Episode 133 (Season 4): Is Everyone a Little Bit ADHD?
Nov 21, 2025
Show Notes
The phrase "everyone’s a little bit ADHD" is coming up more and more lately—but for those who are genuinely ADHD, this can feel dismissive and invalidating. In a world speeding up with constant distractions and increasing demands, society has begun to blur the lines with what the actual difference is between experiencing ADHD traits and living with ADHD as a neurodevelopmental condition.
In this episode, Patrick Casale and Dr. Megan Anna Neff, two AuDHD mental health professionals, discuss the nuance behind “everyone's a little bit ADHD.” They unpack the social myths around distraction, impulsivity, and executive functioning in today’s society, share their own stories of late ADHD diagnosis, and reflect on the dangers of minimizing real challenges faced by ADHDers. With candid conversation, they differentiate between ADHD traits and diagnosis, explore the impact of undiagnosed ADHD, and discuss why oversimplification can be harmful.
Top 3 reasons to listen to the entire episode:
- Learn the difference between ADHD traits that many may experience in a fast-paced world—and the lived disability of ADHD that involves real, sometimes dangerous, daily challenges.
- Hear personal stories from Patrick and Dr. Neff about late-in-life discovery, navigating shame and grief, and unpacking impulsivity, masking, and complicated relationships.
- Understand why phrases like “everyone’s a little bit ADHD” can be minimizing, and discover the real-world impact of misdiagnosis, missed support, and the need for greater societal awareness.
If you’re curious about ADHD traits in non-ADHDers, or you want to better understand the real experiences of ADHDers, this episode offers insight into the “ADHD for everyone” myth.
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Transcript
PATRICK CASALE: Hey, everyone. You are listening to the Divergent Conversations podcast. We are two neurodivergent mental health professionals in a neurotypical world. I'm Patrick Casale.
MEGAN NEFF: And I'm Dr. Neff.
PATRICK CASALE: And during these episodes, we do talk about sensitive subjects, mental health. And there are some conversations that can certainly feel a bit overwhelming. So, we do just want to use that disclosure and disclaimer before jumping in. And thanks for listening.
All right, everyone. Welcome back to Divergent Conversations. Last week, we covered everyone's a little bit autistic. Today, we are going to cover everyone's a little bit ADHD, or everyone's a little bit ADHD now. So, yeah, a fascinating conversation, because I think we are seeing more and more statements out in the world about neurodivergence, in general. And we know that autism and ADHD dominates a lot of the conversation. But it is something that we definitely are seeing more and more of.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah. And I see this a lot in clinical spaces. The like, you know, “Yeah, everyone's ADHD now.” Or anyone who's offering kind of a social critique of our society or social media, or parenting, it's like, yeah, “Well, everyone's ADHD now.”
PATRICK CASALE: Right. Yeah, because we have so much going on at all times. It's obviously like, it's easy for people's executive functionings to struggle. It's easy to feel distracted, it's easy to feel overwhelmed, it's easy to feel like forgetful or interests change. And yet, I would not agree with that statement that everyone is a little bit ADHD.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, and we're probably also getting less patient and more impulsive. Like, I was thinking the other day about, how like, do you remember as a kid… Okay, yeah, you're not that much younger than me. Did you ever, like, wait with a cassette player and like, a little tape recorder and like, listen to the radio waiting for your favorite song to come on so you could hit record?
PATRICK CASALE: Yes.
MEGAN NEFF: Like, think about how much patience we needed just to listen to a song we liked. And now it's just like, let me go find it on Spotify. Like, immediate gratification is baked into our society in a way it never was before.
PATRICK CASALE: That's true. Immediate dopamine hits, right? Like, at the touch of a button.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah.
PATRICK CASALE: I mean, think about rewinding VHS tapes. Like, having to watch a movie that's awful when you rent it from Blockbuster, and then you had to, like, rewind it, RIP blockbuster. But like, oh, it was awful.
MEGAN NEFF: And you have to, like, leave your house to go get a movie. Like, yeah. So, it is true that, like, distraction, focus, like impulsivity.
PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, yeah.
MEGAN NEFF: So, I know distraction and focus are getting worse. I would guess impulsivity and patience is also going down.
PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, I think as we see, like, a deterioration of patience, right? Because we live in a society that demands so much for us and is so overwhelming from all angles, if we're having, like, media consumption, in general, that impulsivity would go way up. But also, irritability would go way up as well, even though I'm pointing down, I mean up, because as patience goes, as your executive functioning takes a hit, as you have to juggle more and more and more, irritability, spontaneity, impulsivity, book the trip, get out of here, [CROSSTALK 00:04:27]-
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah.
PATRICK CASALE: …for a week.
MEGAN NEFF: Empathy is also going down. That's not connected to ADHD, because empathy isn't an ADHD trait. But yeah, there are ways that, like society, is shifting and in ways that overlap with ADHD traits, like distraction, focus, inhibition, yeah, which is not the same thing as everyone is now ADHD. It's like, yeah, more people are struggling with distraction and focus, and perhaps some of the ways we support ADHD might also support these folks, but that's not the same thing as being a little ADHD or everyone having ADHD now.
PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, and again, similarly, in my opinion, to the autism conversation that we had last week, it feels dismissive. I think it feels dismissive to those who are truly ADHDers, who are struggling so much to figure out how to get through their day, with their daily living, and their executive functioning, and their attention spans, and their time perception. And they're like, "What the hell? I'm trying so hard, and I don't believe that everyone else is experiencing this the same way."
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah. It gets back to, it's invalidating, it's minimizing when folks hear that, yeah.
PATRICK CASALE: Yeah.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah. Because, yeah, you're just having the same experience of as all humans. And part of the shame that a lot of us carry is like, I can't people like other people. And so, then when we hear, well, like everyone's struggling with this, it's like, well, like, when I look at other people, why am I struggling more if everyone's supposedly struggling with ADHD now?
PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, exactly. And then, you really start to internalize that, because then it's like, well, it's just got to be me. You know, I'm the only one.
MEGAN NEFF: I want to have some, like, funny comebacks to that. Like, oh, you also have mold growing on your bathroom counter in a coffee cup that's been there for three weeks. PATRICK CASALE: Yep. Is that still there, by the way? That was like [CROSSTALK 00:06:29]-
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, once I found the mold, it grossed me out, and I took care of it.
PATRICK CASALE: Or, like, does everyone just have piles of laundry sitting in their like laundry room, ready to be put away for weeks at a time? Or, you know, does everyone forget to take their ADHD medication, even though it's sitting right in front of them on their counter where they get their coffee every single morning?
MEGAN NEFF: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
PATRICK CASALE: You know, I think when we start to use these universal terms, I think for a lot of people, it helps them, like, normalize why they're struggling with whatever, when, in reality, it's a much bigger mechanism at place, right? Like, it's a lot easier to say everyone's a little ADHD now, it's a lot harder to deconstruct the fact that society is like crumbling around us and creating a situation where people are stressed at all freaking times.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
PATRICK CASALE: So, it's like, what do you do about that? That's the thing. It's like, I think it's easier to default to like, this is where we're at as a group of people, opposed to like, how do we change capitalism?
MEGAN NEFF: How do we change society?
PATRICK CASALE: Yeah.
MEGAN NEFF: It is an important question, though, because it, I mean, just feels, even in my… I feel like such an old person now, but in my 40 years, like we're just moving away from, like, humanizing ways of being together.
PATRICK CASALE: For sure.
MEGAN NEFF: And there's definitely been some positive changes in society as well. But, yeah, yeah.
PATRICK CASALE: It's scary. Honestly, it's been scary that we are like… We're going to diverge so much, do the episode on ADHD, and then diverge all over the place. It's scary to like, think about how less often and frequent we are in contact with people and like helping each other out, communally, supporting one another. And it's almost becoming very individualized as a society, right? Like, where we are so separated and so siloed.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah, especially with remote work, which, like, I love remote work, for obvious reasons. But definitely, there's just so many, like organic, like micro moments that don't happen when you're not with people. And yeah.
It's interesting, I used to not do many team meetings because I have so much demand avoidance around meetings, but I started doing them. I started, like, properly treating my team like a team, and not just like a bunch of freelance contractors. And whenever we meet, it's like, there's generative ideas that come up that would not have come up if we were just… Because we use Notion, if we're just, like, leaving text for each other. There's something about being in a room, even a Zoom Room, thinking together, there's generativity. And so, yeah, that's one of the things we're losing as we get more and more in our silos.
PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, and I think going to your team meeting statement, it's good for ADHDers in the sense of, like, body doubling, having those contacts, and like, having that opportunity. Because I know for myself, with my staff, we do a monthly team meeting. People groan about it sometimes because, like, you know, “Why are we doing this? I can get through in 10, 15 minutes.”
But in reality, it's about the contact. And then, like you said, generative ideas that can come from just having contact, having that space together, even though it's virtual, is super important. And my ADHD therapist love that, because it's like, here's an accountability measure so that I can support myself with, like, body doubling or parallel, like, work together in general, and just ensuring that I can stay on task, because the tasks are piling up at all times.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
PATRICK CASALE: So, you did a really good job of drawing a line in the sand, so to speak, when we did the autism episode. So, if we're saying everyone is a little bit ADHD, or everyone's a little bit ADHD now, how do we break that down in a way where it's like, well, yeah, you might be experiencing ADHD traits, right? Or experiences, so to speak, or struggle areas, but how do we, you know, really break that down in terms of yay or nay?
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, so like, where I would go, and this is not language that… It's a paradox, right? So, talking about, like, functional impairment, That's not the most like neurodivergent affirming language. And also, it is the experience of it as a disability that marks it as separate from someone who's experiencing an increase in, you know, focus or distraction. So, I actually think it does matter to look at our functioning.
So, one of the assessments that's often, or I think it's more of a screener, that's often used when diagnosing ADHD, it's the Wechsler-IV Functional Assessment. I might not have the full acronym in my head right now, but basically, what it does is it looks at different domains of your life. So, like social, your self-concept is one of them. Your, like, risk so, like safety risks around driving, work, school. And so, it's looking at how much are these traits impacting your functioning. And I think that becomes a really important piece of it to look at when it's, is this ADHD or is this ADHD traits?
I also think the context matters. Like, is it part of baseline experience? Because it is in our developmental condition, right? So, is this always been part of your baseline experience, so we can go back to childhood and see it, or is this something that has emerged as your context has shifted?
Now, of course, if someone has a lot of compensation strategies or masking, we might not see the struggles until the stress exceeds kind of that person's capacity. And so, you might not see a lot of the struggle. Like, in kids, you might not see it till middle school, till they're like, changing classes. Or I know for many women, it's when we become moms that that's when it becomes really apparent, because all of a sudden, the stress of what we're holding, it's like the wheels come off the bus. But those are some of the things that I would put on the, if we're drawing a line I'd put over here. What about you?
PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, no, I would agree 100%. And I think that is a really important distinction. And looking at it through that lens of like, how much impairment is going on in all of these different domains because traits and symptoms of, you know, a lot of these struggles that we're mentioning can be exacerbated based on environmental conditions that have nothing to do with neurology. It's just the fact that, like, life is really fucking chaotic and really stressful.
So, when we're seeing an uptick in, like, distractibility, and focus, and spontaneity/impulsivity, executive functioning struggles because you're juggling multiple jobs and trying to raise your kids, like, and again, that doesn't mean that you also have a neurodevelopmental condition, right? Like, our neurotype that meets ADHD criteria.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah.
PATRICK CASALE: Neurology is important in this, and I think that's the piece that's missing.
MEGAN NEFF: And I think, like, to continue off that, undiagnosed ADHD is really dangerous. It's really dangerous in the sense that if it's undiagnosed and unsupported ADHD, it'll often show up in mental health conditions, in substance use, in risk-taking behavior that, right? We have more car crashes.
And so, if someone's having distraction and focus issues, but like, you know, it's not a dangerous thing, then that feels like a different experience. But, yeah, undiagnosed ADHD is not something to mess with.
PATRICK CASALE: No, it's super dangerous, and that's a good point. I like that you use the car crash example, because, like, if you're having distraction and focus issues, that doesn't mean that you're going, like, dopamine seek and weave in and out of traffic, and speed up at times that you should not pay attention to certain, like, road signs or completely miss certain things that are happening around you. It just might mean that you're like, leisurely driving down the road, and you're just out of it. You know, through the day, you're struggling mentally. But there's a lot of impulsivity with the with undiagnosed ADHD, and there's a lot of unfortunate outcomes too. I mean, I know for myself, that's what led me to an ADHD diagnosis, was just impulsivity and just making really bad decisions, and really honestly, self-destructing my own life and imploding it.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah. And a lot of self-medicating, a lot of unfortunate coping, yeah, yeah.
PATRICK CASALE: Always thinking the grass was always greener too. Always thinking that. I was always like, let's just move. Like, let's just leave [CROSSTALK 00:15:53]-
MEGAN NEFF: Oh my gosh. I-
PATRICK CASALE: [CROSSTALK 00:15:53].
MEGAN NEFF: Wait, I still do that. You stopped doing that?
PATRICK CASALE: I still do that. But I think it's more romanticizing now, like, opposed to like, this is really going to change my existence. Like, everything is going to change if I move to Seattle tomorrow. Like, it sounds like such a good idea, let's look at houses, like, let's put the plan in motion. And then, it's like, what the fuck are you doing?
MEGAN NEFF: Oh my gosh. This is literally a conversation Luke and I have constantly, he's like, "I just feel like every couple years, you want to completely change our lives." And like, right, as he's like, getting settled, and I'm like, "Let's move, let's change career." And, yep, it is. It's like clockwork, interesting.
PATRICK CASALE: Our partners, man. I mean, like, Arielle values security and stability so much. And the first couple years of our marriage, I was just like, "All right, so I think that what we should do is I should take a job in Seattle, and we should move to the Pacific Northwest, and I've checked out all of the things. It's going to be so much better for us. Like, the weather's going to be better, and it's going to be fun. There's so much to do, great restaurants. Oh, we're in Seattle. My entire life will change." And she was just like, "No, like, I'm not uprooting my entire career so that we can move to Seattle, where we've only spent three days."
MEGAN NEFF: Whenever I, like, travel somewhere, I always get the desire to, like, if I'm having a positive experience, move there, because it's like, oh, I can see my life here. And you're right, it's that idealized life.
PATRICK CASALE: We've talked about romanticism on here so much with the ADHD experience. And yes, anytime I travel, and it's like, "Oh, look, look how enchanting this is." And I could be sitting in the square, reading, writing, drinking wine in Spain, like doing whatever, life would be so much better. I mean, honestly, in some ways it probably would. But yeah, I've done that my entire life.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah. I have this experience, and whenever I move, when I move to a new house, it often is better because, like, it's like a blank canvas. And so, like, it's easier to create some healthier habits. And then, after about a couple months, I'm like, dang it, like I followed myself here. Like, my energy…
PATRICK CASALE: It's all the same me.
MEGAN NEFF: It's the same me. And now this place has my energy all over it, and my like-
PATRICK CASALE: Your [CROSSTALK 00:19:38]-
MEGAN NEFF: Some of my unhealthful habits, yeah, yeah.
PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, we trick ourselves in thinking that it's going to be different. And we pay the ADHD tax a lot of the time, too.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah.
PATRICK CASALE: I mean, well, I can't tell you how many vacations, Airbnb’s, hotels, flights, things that I've impulsively booked because it was going to make my life better temporarily, because I was seeking dopamine so badly. And I know for a fact that it ties in directly to my gambling addiction. Like, ADHD and my gambling addiction, they loved each other. They were like best friends.
MEGAN NEFF: Oh, I'm sure. I mean, so much stimulus, so much dopamine, so much, yeah, yeah.
PATRICK CASALE: Yeah. Oh, God, so looking back from that lens, it's like, damn, what a destructive path that I carved but for so long.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah. I realized, like, my belly got a little bit uncomfortable saying that, that undiagnosed and unsupported ADHD is dangerous or destructive. But like, I do feel that.
PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, yeah.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah.
PATRICK CASALE: I've lived it.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, so have I, so have I. And I see it all the time. And partly, that is part of it, of I think so many of us, it's interesting. We talk a lot about late identified autism, but there's also this last generation of ADHD adults, again, especially women and gender queer folks, where it's like, oh my goodness, there's things in my past I have so much shame on. And if I had known this, like, maybe not all of that would be different, but I could have done things differently, and I think there could be a lot of grief and shame in that. I know I have some of that of, but I definitely think there's things about my past that would have been different if I had support around the ADHD.
PATRICK CASALE: 100%. Yeah, I have quite a few friends who have discovered they're ADHD later in life, who are probably in their late 40s now, and women specifically, and they're really having a hard time of making sense of it, of like, if I had only known and not been called, like, anxious, or needy, or clingy, or been misdiagnosed with personality disorder, or whichever, you know, whatever the diagnosis was. And it's hard to watch people unpack that, you know, and have that grief about and the shame that comes with it and the RSD.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, or relationships that have ended. Like, I think that can be a really common, yeah, yeah.
PATRICK CASALE: Pre-discovery, like, I definitely tried to blow my marriage up the first year. Like, I was so reckless. I made so many bad, impulsive decisions. And honestly, like I said, that's how I ended up with an ADHD diagnosis, because I worked at a crisis unit, and the psychiatrist on staff was talking to me one day. So, I was reading books on, like, self-help for divorce. It was so weird. I'd go in and be like, "You're going round today?" And you'd just be like, "What do you think we should do?" I'm like, "I don't fucking know."
But anyway, I was telling him about, like, grass is always greener, always looking for the next thing, always, like, chasing something that doesn't exist. And he's like, dude, go get an ADHD evaluation. You need to do it immediately. And I was like, okay, and yeah, the rest is history.
MEGAN NEFF: That's so interesting, because the restlessness was showing up in your marriage.
PATRICK CASALE: [CROSSTALK 00:23:04] acting all parts of my life, yeah, really, yeah.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
PATRICK CASALE: And I know we've talked about this, but for me, that diagnosis, like that discovery, like, I was like, okay, this makes sense, like, why I do the things that I do? And then, I just kind of left it at that. I would never really deep dove it. I never really thought much about it. And I think, you know, another misconception that we might talk about in this series is, like, ADHD only impacts young white boys, you know, like. And so, for me, that was my own ableism coming into play of like, yeah, that makes sense. It's just like, that's what happens to young white boys. We are ADHD,
MEGAN NEFF: Oh, interesting.
PATRICK CASALE: [CROSSTALK 00:23:51] a lot more than [INDISCERNIBLE 00:23:53] But, yeah.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you didn't get like, curious about it, because it was like, "Yeah, this is what happens to…" Interesting.
PATRICK CASALE: Yeah. I was like, "Oh, yeah. This makes sense, okay."
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah. I had a similar experience in the sense that the first like neurodivergent condition to be discovered and diagnosed. Well, you don't diagnose neurodivergent conditions. That sentence got weird.
The first thing that became aware in our family was when one of my children was diagnosed with ADHD at age six or seven. And I just didn't get curious about it. I attributed it to there were some complications at birth and complications that we know increase likelihood of ADHD. So, I attributed it to that. But like, I didn't go down there, like, which parent did this child get it from, or I tried to read ADHD parenting books and couldn't get through them. Thank you, ADHD. But I just didn't get curious about it.
And then, when we started talking about autism for the same child, that's when I got curious. And I was like, looking back, maybe it's partly because I was just so overwhelmed. I think I had like, a six and three-year-old at the time. But it's interesting that it didn't trigger my curiosity either.
PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, yeah, that's a great point. I don't know. You know, we spend so much time on this podcast talking about autism and late-in-life autism discovery. We don't spend a lot of time on ADHD. We almost glance over it. And I wonder why that is.
MEGAN NEFF: I've wondered that too. Like, is it because it feels less formative for us? Is it because we have harder relationships to it? Is it a mix of both? Like, because, yeah, I'm curious about that too.
PATRICK CASALE: Yeah.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah. Even in writing this book, right? Like, I struggle to get through ADHD books. I can read books on autism, but I lose my focus on ADHD books. And I was like, it's not become a special interest in the same way that autism has.
PATRICK CASALE: And I just wonder why. And if you're listening and you had the same experience and you're AuDHD, I'd love to know, because I don't understand why that feels that way to me. I've tried to unpack it. I've tried to think about, like, I do a lot of trainings for like group practices about autism, and supporting autistic therapists, and ADHD therapists, but never specifically ADHD.
MEGAN NEFF: Okay, I'm having a thought come to me as we're talking on this. Okay, I feel like ADHD doesn't make my autistic experience less in the sense that I don't feel like I don't belong in autistic spaces. But when I enter ADHD spaces, like spaces that are built by ADHDers, designed for ADHDers, I don't feel like I fit or belong. And so, I think that makes it harder for me to engage in like ADHD learning, because I'm like, I don't see myself there.
Like, there's something about the ADHD, the addition of that to the autism, that doesn't make it so that when I enter autistic spaces, I'm like, "Oh, I don't see myself here." But when I enter ADHD spaces because of the autism, I do experience that. And we've talked about that of like, it's easier for us to connect with autistic guests or autistic ADHD guests. It's hardest for us to connect with just ADHD guests.
PATRICK CASALE: Yep, yep. I see that in my working relationships and friendships, too. Struggle more with like, the cross-neurotype friendship of AuDHD and ADHD. Like, it's hard for me. Yeah, it's something to continue to unpack, I suppose. But I don't know. Do you feel like when you talk about your identity, you lead with autism? Like, I always think about like being autistic is like the anchor or the foundation for me.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, I think I do lead more with the autism.
PATRICK CASALE: It's so fascinating. I want to know if this is a common experience or if it's just unique. I don't know.
MEGAN NEFF: It is. I mean, it's interesting. One of my kids disagrees with me, but I identify as being more autistic dominant and ADHD dominant. And I think you do, too. So, like, I could actually can think of some of the people we've had on, like Jamie Roberts, who's been on this podcast before. I think of her as more ADHD dominant. So, if she had a podcast with someone who was like her, like they’d probably have a very different podcast. And I wonder if they would end up talking about ADHD more. It's just for us, autism is more of our dominant leaning.
PATRICK CASALE: Makes sense. That makes sense. Well, back to…
MEGAN NEFF: Back to ADHD.
PATRICK CASALE: Back to ADHD.
MEGAN NEFF: So, here is something that is a little bit trickier about ADHD and autism, is that one thing that, when I do interviews, people will often ask, well, is ADHD being underdiagnosed? And I'll say, well, it's tricky, because it's being both overdiagnosed and underdiagnosed.
And so, in some populations, it is being over diagnosed. And in some populations, like girls and women, it's been underdiagnosed. And so, with autism, it's really because the process for getting an autism diagnosis is so, so rigorous, especially for children. I don't think autism is being over diagnosed by any means, but with ADHD, it is a little bit more complicated because of that bit.
PATRICK CASALE: Right. Yeah, that's a great point. Makes a lot of sense. And I also think about, like, some of the people who are doing some of the diagnosing, who sometimes can't parse it apart very well. Like, ADHD, from other similar struggles or conditions.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, especially trauma, because trauma, especially if there's been complex trauma, and then the impact that has on the brain, yeah, it's incredibly difficult to differentiate.
PATRICK CASALE: It makes a lot of sense. It's a lot to think about for me. Like, I want to think about this as I write this book, too, to think about like, I know how ADHD influences me, like my business ownership and a lot of the risks I've taken have definitely probably been when I'm more ADHD dominant in those spaces, for whatever reason. But I really do anchor it more into the autistic experience of, like, sensory stuff.
And I think it's the sensory piece we talked about this the other day. It was like, the sensory piece is so freaking hard. And I think that for me, unfortunately, dictates everything that I do and everything that I think about.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, same, same.
PATRICK CASALE: Sucks.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah.
PATRICK CASALE: I was telling you that story about dinner last night. It just sucks sometimes.
MEGAN NEFF: It makes our lives really small or really overwhelming. It's like you choose.
PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, exactly. It can't be both at the same time.
MEGAN NEFF: I am curious. Okay, I know we're not really doing interviews, but I am curious, I would be curious to hear the experience of someone who's mostly hypo sensory, of like, because I've always been curious how, because I know it does impact their lives, but I want to understand it more of like, what is the felt experience around if you're autistic, and mostly you're hypo sensory, so that dulled experiencing.
PATRICK CASALE: Do you think there's a correlation between autistic people who are hypo sensitive and being more extroverted?
MEGAN NEFF: Hypo, I don't know that there would necessarily would be.
PATRICK CASALE: Like, if you're [CROSSTALK 00:32:17]-
MEGAN NEFF: I think there would be a correlation between sensory seeking behavior, and extroversion, potentially. But I don't know that hypo sensory would necessarily correlate to introversion or extroversion.
PATRICK CASALE: I would like to hear from some of y'all, if you end up leaning more on the hyposensitive side of things sensory-wise, because I know I'm hypersensitive too, everything and anything.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah. How did we start talking about autism again?
PATRICK CASALE: I think we say this every time we do an episode. Sorry, y'all, you know, there's a lot of great ADHD podcasts out there, so…
MEGAN NEFF: We're not one of them.
PATRICK CASALE: We're not one of them.
MEGAN NEFF: We’re great for our, oh my gosh.
PATRICK CASALE: AuDHDers.
MEGAN NEFF: AuDHDers.
PATRICK CASALE: We love you all. But, yeah, I think that's where we lean more often, obviously. But, you know, I think it's one of those things when it's like your experience is your experience, and it's really hard sometimes to understand, or at least put ourselves into other existences. It's just hard, I think, for all people to do that.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
PATRICK CASALE: I don't know. We are who we are. Thanks for listening to us. We appreciate it.
MEGAN NEFF: I feel like we are wrapping
PATRICK CASALE: I think so. I think so. So, yeah, again, thanks for listening. And you know where to find us on Fridays, on all the platforms and YouTube. And make sure to download the Jane app for healthcare if you're a medical or mental health professional. Use code DCPOD for two free months. And we will see you next Friday. Bye.
