Episode 132 (Season 4): Is Everyone a Little Bit Autistic?
Nov 14, 2025
Show Notes
Hearing "everyone is a little bit Autistic" can feel invalidating and diminish the distinct experiences of Autistic individuals. These comments, often rooted in misunderstanding or attempted empathy, reveal how language shapes—and sometimes distorts—public understanding of Autism.
In this episode, Patrick Casale and Dr. Megan Anna Neff, two AuDHD mental health professionals, discuss the common phrase and idea that “everyone is a little bit Autistic.” They explore why this phrase is so prevalent, the intentions and real impacts behind such statements, and the crucial differences between having “Autistic traits” and living with the full Autistic experience. You’ll hear honest stories about disclosure, invalidation, and what “context sensitivity” really means in identifying Autism—and why language matters when advocating for neurodivergent needs.
Top 3 reasons to listen to the entire episode:
- Gain a deeper understanding of why the phrase “everyone is a little bit Autistic” can be harmful, and get clear language for differentiating between having Autistic traits and being Autistic.
- Hear personal reflections from Patrick and Megan Anna on invalidation, masking, disclosure in professional and personal life, and what it’s like to receive common microaggressions—even from therapists and family members.
- Explore what truly defines the Autistic experience, including insightful discussion of “context sensitivity” as a key factor in proper identification, and how this impacts access to support, accommodations, and authentic self-acceptance.
This conversation helps to unpack the phrase “everyone is a little Autistic,” and explores the difference between possessing “Autistic traits” and living with the unique neurological, sensory, and social realities of Autism.
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Transcript
PATRICK CASALE: Hey, everyone. You are listening to the Divergent Conversations podcast. We are two neurodivergent mental health professionals in a neurotypical world. I'm Patrick Casale.
MEGAN NEFF: And I'm Dr. Neff.
PATRICK CASALE: And during these episodes, we do talk about sensitive subjects, mental health. And there are some conversations that can certainly feel a bit overwhelming. So, we do just want to use that disclosure and disclaimer before jumping in. And thanks for listening.
Welcome back to Divergent Conversations. And today, we continue to kind of deconstruct some myths and commonly used expressions that can be quite frustrating within the autistic and ADHD spaces. First and foremost, one of my least favorites, everyone is a little bit autistic. And I know you and I are going to have differing perspectives on this conversation.
MEGAN NEFF: Which I kind of like. That's a good thing to model.
PATRICK CASALE: It is a good thing to model.
MEGAN NEFF: We can be friends and have different perspectives. Yeah, first of all, I'm curious, like, has someone said that to your face?
PATRICK CASALE: Many times.
MEGAN NEFF: Many times.
PATRICK CASALE: Many times. Even now there's [CROSSTALK 00:02:21]-
MEGAN NEFF: And is it-
PATRICK CASALE: …other, I see it in therapist groups, sometimes during discussion, I have had people say it directly to me when I've described, like, my autistic experience. Almost as it's like placating it or like sympathizing. Like, "Don't worry, everyone's a little autistic."
MEGAN NEFF: Oh, so the idea is, like, don't feel bad about being autistic, because everyone's a little autistic.
PATRICK CASALE: Yeah.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah. Okay, let's start there, that'll actually be interesting. Let's try to decode the intentions of why people say that. And then, also, the impact.
So, I don't want you to feel bad about yourself. And so, I'm going to remind you that everyone's a little bit autistic, so you can relate a little bit to the other humans because they're a little bit autistic, okay.
PATRICK CASALE: Or maybe your struggles that you're describing, or your traits that you're describing, you're kind of like blowing it out of proportion, because everyone kind of experiences it, you know?
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah.
PATRICK CASALE: And that's [CROSSTALK 00:03:23]-
MEGAN NEFF: That's again [INDISCERNIBLE 00:03:23].
PATRICK CASALE: [CROSSTALK 00:03:23].
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah. What do you think the intention of that comment is?
PATRICK CASALE: In that context, I really do think it's just kind of like trying to, from their perspective, like, "Oh, don't be so hard on yourself.” Or, “Don't act as if these struggles are so significant, because everyone has them. It's not that big of a deal." It's almost like infantilizing in a way, of, like, calm down. It's like [CROSSTALK 00:03:53].
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah. So, maybe it's their own discomfort with your distress. And so, they're wanting to then, like, weave it into, like, all humans experience that which, okay, okay.
So, one, I just finished a training on traumatic invalidation and the neurodivergent experience. And the literature on traumatic invalidation is fascinating. But there's different degrees of invalidation. And so, this is what I think would be like, kind of an… Oh, shoot, the word just left. I had it in my head, but like an empathic miss or an empathic invalidation. That's not the exact word, but it's kind of a level one invalidation, where the person likely doesn't mean to invalidate. Oh, empathetic misattunement, that might be it. But because of how it's landing, that can be a very invalidating experience.
And like we tend to get many of these. And then it kind of becomes like death by 1000 splinters. Like, you don't look autistic. Everyone's a little autistic. So, these would be empathic misattunements that a lot of us get when we start self-disclosing.
PATRICK CASALE: We get them a lot from people who are close to us, too.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah.
PATRICK CASALE: I think, like, we've talked about disclosure, and you've kind of candidly talked about how you really have to be rooted in it and feel really secure in it to start talking about it openly, because you don't know how disclosure will be received, right? Once it comes out of your mouth, or once you type it out, it's not for you to react to.
MEGAN NEFF: And then, if the responses you're getting is a lot of invalidation, especially if it is a lot of that empathic misattunement, which can be confusing, because it's like, wait, I think this person's trying to be kind to me, but also, like, by saying things like, "You don't look autistic." Or, you know, "Everyone experiences these things." But we so easily start invalidating ourselves, especially because I think a lot of us tend to invalidate ourselves as baseline.
So, yeah, unless we're really rooted in this diagnosis and feel confident on it, it can be such a mind split to be disclosing this, and then to be getting, and receiving invalidating feedback.
PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, yep. I can actually think about, like, when I disclosed back in 2021, when I discovered this, I did get a lot of those comments of like, "You don't look autistic." Or, "Everyone is a little bit autistic." And I'm like, "What does looking autistic fucking mean? Like, what does that mean?"
I was talking about this the other day, you know, I might have talked to you about, like, how I didn't used to swing my arms when I walked, and co-workers told me I walked like a serial killer. And I never thought about how I walked. I just walked in my mind, naturally. And then, I realized, like, through assimilation and potentially, like, camouflaging, I am now, like, swinging my arms when I walk right.
And then, I was walking down the road the other day, and I'm swinging my arms, and I'm thinking to myself, I'm by myself, I'm like, "Am I swinging my arms because that's natural, or am I swinging my arms because I've really gone deep in the masking of like, now I have to fit in and present this way." So, that's what comes to mind when I'm like, "You don't look autistic."
MEGAN NEFF: Did you come to a conclusion of why you were swinging your arms?
PATRICK CASALE: I have no definitive conclusion to this. I still swing my arms. And I still think about it every time I walk, whether or not I'm doing it naturally or if it is because of those comments.
MEGAN NEFF: And that's also interesting. People weren't saying like, that you should swing your arms because you look autistic, or you should smile because you look autistic. They were saying, "You look like a serial killer." So, I think there's different descriptors. Like, I think I got a lot of, "You always look really serious." So, people weren't telling me I looked autistic, but people did make comments about how serious my face was. And they were just using different descriptors.
PATRICK CASALE: Right. And it's just like these little like microaggressions, you know? That people experience of why do you look so flat all the time? Why are you so intense all the time?
MEGAN NEFF: I would love just like a quick comeback of, like, because I'm autistic.
PATRICK CASALE: Right. Oh, another t-shirt idea. Write it down.
MEGAN NEFF: Because I'm autistic.
PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, no, seriously, but that's a lot of our experiences, right? Is like, and I even had this, like, unfortunate rupture with a, I'd say, friend, I guess, who was making comments about, like, how many people are getting autism assessments right now in schools, and how it was so blown out of proportion, and that leads into, like, there's an autism epidemic conversation.
And I'm like, "You're a fucking school psychologist. What are you talking about?" And social media plays a role in everything we're talking about, right? Like, because people will see a reel or a clip of someone organizing their fidgets, and someone who maybe is OCD is like, "Oh, I'm autistic now." So, I think that plays a role in everyone's a little bit autistic. Or people who struggle socially. It's like a similar comparison of social anxiety and autism, right? It's like, well, I also struggle in crowds, and I also struggle in, like, these environments.
MEGAN NEFF: So, do you mean that you think more... I just want to make sure I'm tracking you right, more people are misidentified as autistic because they're seeing like one trait of autism on social media, and that's part of the everyone's a little autistic experience.
PATRICK CASALE: Sometimes you know, I think-
MEGAN NEFF: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
PATRICK CASALE: I especially see it with OCD and social anxiety. Like, those two specifically. And obviously, there's so much overlap, as we talk about all the time. But I do think that plays a role in the whole like, everyone has, like, autistic traits, which I know we're going to talk about in this episode.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, well, we'll talk about that at some point. That's interesting, because I've not heard you say that before. I think I've heard you lean more on the opposite of like, not being concerned about people self-identifying on social media. Has that shifted for you? [CROSSTALK 00:10:12]-
PATRICK CASALE: No, no. So, I have zero problem with people self-identifying and self-identifying via social media as a catalyst whatsoever. I just think there's a comparison with similar struggles that can mirror some autistic experiences to some degree, which can lead to, like, the genuine general populace saying, like, “See, everyone's a little bit autistic.” I have zero problem with self-identification. I just want to name that, like, very explicitly.
MEGAN NEFF: I think that's right, because that's where I wanted to, like, help unpack that of…
PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, I know.
MEGAN NEFF: But if what I was hearing you say is true, I also do think that's true, but I think it's uncomfortable to say, because self-identification is so important, because access to assessment's so hard, but there probably are also some people, definitely not the majority, but who do connect to autistic people talking about autistic experiences, but for different reasons like OCD, like social anxiety.
I think, this is my current theory, and I might shift this at some point, but I'm learning a lot about this idea of context. It used to be called context blindness. Peter… I'm blanking on his last name. See, this is why I need to prepare for things I want to talk about. I don't know the names. Actually, can I look it up real quick?
PATRICK CASALE: I actually found it. Peter Vermeulen?
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah, Peter Vermeulen. And he has a new book. It's more about the prediction map idea of like, our brains don't make predictions as well, which actually connects to sensory experiencing and processing. It's really fascinating.
Goodness, gracious, where was I going with this? Oh, so it used to be called context blindness. That's not a very affirming term for many reasons. More commonly talked about now is like context sensitivity, or Dr. Henderson talks about it as context insensitivity. But it's that idea that we do not intuitively pick up, and perceive, and experience context. We can analytically do it.
And so, there's a lot of interesting studies. Like, some of the classic theory of mind studies, which, again, theory of mind is a controversial thing in our history. But one of the things they found in a lot of tests that look at things like context or theory of mind, autistic people can often get the right answer if we're given enough time, which, again, we're doing it through a prefrontal cortex, typically, if we're doing it. We're not just intuitively perceiving and experiencing. If someone doesn't have context and sensitivity to me, that's the like, again, this is a bold statement, that's the are you autistic or not? If you intuitively perceive context, I don't think you're autistic.
PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, okay. Can you break that down a little bit more as to why, just for people who are listening and are like, “I have no idea what that means.”
MEGAN NEFF: So, it's the whole idea of, right? So, the classic idea of autism being about not picking up social cues, right? So, picking up context is the idea of, oh, goodness, yeah, I feel like I want to, like, make notes to be able to synthesize this well. But this idea of picking up, like, what is the social bid that's being done here?
Okay, well, I'll give an example. Let me give an example. I've probably used this one before, but this was a conversation with Donna Henderson where I asked her, like, what happens to your brain? And we've had her on before, where she talks about what it's like to be ADHD-
PATRICK CASALE: [CROSSTALK 00:13:57]]-
MEGAN NEFF: …and you're autistic. Yeah. So, I was like, "What happens to you when someone asks what your favorite book is?" And she was like, "Well, it would depend who was asking." And I was like, "What do you mean?" She's like, "Well, if it's my neighbor, I would say, like, probably some fiction book. If it's a co-worker, I would say a psychology book." And then, I explained what happens in my brain, where I'm like, I'm thinking through all of the books I've ever read, and I'm like, "Give me more context. What bucket are we talking about? Are we talking about psychology, social? Like, give me a bucket to work with.” And how that would be a really hard question for me to try to answer what's my favorite.
PATRICK CASALE: For sure.
MEGAN NEFF: For her, she's responding to the social context of there is a social bid being made with her neighbor. It's not about, like, factually, what's your favorite book. And so, there's a social context that's helping her brain to filter out what information to give her. And she just intuitively says a fiction book. That is not an analytical process for her. She's perceiving the social context.
And the way I think about it is it creates a filter for what information is important to pay attention to. When you don't have that, we're doing our bottom-up processing. I'm hearing the question, what's your favorite book? I'm not perceiving or experiencing the social context of we're in this, there's a social bid happening. We're in a dynamic. And so, I'm going to just answer it as factually and accurately as possible.
So, that would be an example of someone who has and is experiencing social context in a way that is filtering her brain, what information to pay attention to, intuitively, not analytically, versus a bottom-up process that doesn't have that context filter to help guide, "Here's the information that's important to pay attention to here."
PATRICK CASALE: And then, you know, I'm even thinking about when we had Jennifer on, right? When we had, like, The Ask a Neurotypical, Allistic episode, same situation, right? Like, what's your favorite book? She's going to be like, "Well, depending on who's asking, I might just intuitively give this answer. And I have these buckets. And I place people in them naturally." And we're both sitting there like, "What the fuck are you talking about?" I think she used the term, I just flow through life.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, because she has the context perception or same thing of, like, how you know, if you work in an office, and it's okay, what do you talk about at the office? But then, what if you have like a social event at the office? What do you talk about? Knowing, like, what is "socially appropriate" to talk about in different contexts, that's also part of picking up context. Many of us will analytically learn that. And then, that's what I call my Google Doc, like, creating the rules. But it's not something that my body just, like, picks up and knows. And so, all of those social norms like that's all like context.
Also, like the flip side of it is where… So, Dr. Amara Brooks talks about same idea, but she talks about it, or they talk about it as context independence, which is like we are just us, no matter what context we're in, which I also like that way of framing it of-
PATRICK CASALE: Me too.
MEGAN NEFF: Because there's deep authenticity with it. So, I like that way of thinking about it, too, while also acknowledging life would be a lot easier if we were able to just like perceive and experience these things as we shifted through context.
PATRICK CASALE: Absolutely. And going back to what you said about a workplace, right? It's also why a lot of autistic people might consider colleagues, and co-workers, and acquaintances like very good friends, but not receive that in reciprocity when that person's like, "We're just co-workers." And you're like, "Oh, but I'm talking about all of these deep, important things with you in the workplace." It's like, "Yeah, well, that doesn't work for me."
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah.
PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, yeah. So, the context piece, obviously, huge makes a lot of sense. So, you would almost use that as like, a delineation. Like, over here or over here.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah. Like, I would. So, I would have a hard time diagnosing someone as autistic if that piece wasn't there. Yeah, and it's connected to the bottom-up processing. Like, that feels like a pretty core autistic piece of the experience.
PATRICK CASALE: Sure, yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense. So, again, when that statement is used, okay, everyone is a little bit autistic, but you can naturally synthesize and understand context in these situations, then it sounds like that would fall on the other side of the fence. Like, everyone is a little bit autistic, comment.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's like, well, if you're able to perceive context and get all that beautiful information that helps you just flow through life, then yeah.
PATRICK CASALE: [CROSSTALK 00:20:34].
MEGAN NEFF: And no, you're not experiencing, yeah. So, I think what people are trying to say perhaps, but they don't even realize this is what they're trying to say, and this would be an accurate statement, is everyone has autistic traits. Sure, yeah, true.
PATRICK CASALE: Yeah.
MEGAN NEFF: But that is interesting. Okay, curious how you'd answer this, everyone has autistic traits. Everyone's a little bit autistic. How are those different statements?
PATRICK CASALE: Okay, as I rub some lotion on my tattoo, I internalize them very differently for some reason. I internalize, like, everyone has autistic traits as, like, kind of like a, yeah, that makes sense. We all, as humans, throughout this, like, spectrum and diversity of humanness, all exhibit different traits. And we all have different traits in different environments. And, you know, those are impacted environmentally, and socially, and whatever else is going on neurologically, even.
Everyone is a little bit autistic, it kind of feels like you mentioned yesterday, the or a couple weeks ago, whenever we were recording the importance of the words that we use, and the language that we use, and just really owning that, and like protecting it, almost, as if the word autistic stops meaning what it means, and it becomes so much more generalized. Do we have disabling conditions? Do we need accommodations? Like, are we really struggling the way that we're struggling? I think it takes some of that away. It kind of feels dismissive of the experience, minimizing it. Does that make sense?
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, I agree. And that does kind of ruffle my feathers when that happens, both for myself, but also as a parent with some kids that have higher support needs than I do. Like, I do feel protective that that word continues to mean something.
PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, yeah.
MEGAN NEFF: And like, you're not just describing a personality.
PATRICK CASALE: Right, exactly. And that's where I think it leans into is if we start saying and embracing everyone is a little bit autistic, we're almost looking at autism as personality-related struggle, in a way.
MEGAN NEFF: And it's so much more, right? It's a brain, body experience. It's the nervous system. It's the context piece. It's the sensory piece. It's the co-occurring health conditions. Yeah.
PATRICK CASALE: It's everything, it's everything.
MEGAN NEFF: It's everything.
PATRICK CASALE: And I think that's what really can be the most irritating or frustrating of when that statement is used. For us, it's like, it's everything. And if it doesn't impact you on every single, like, fucking way that we're talking about, it feels really disrespectful to just say that.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree. I agree. So, I think part of it, that statement, everyone's a little bit autistic, they are talking about the experience, right? Like a felt experience. Everyone's a little bit autistic. And I think that's why that statement is wrong, but we're saying everyone has autistic traits. Like, yeah, that's accurate.
PATRICK CASALE: For sure.
MEGAN NEFF: And autistic traits does not equal the autistic experience. Like, unless you have struggled to move through neuro normative spaces. Either struggled because literally can't, hard to access, or because you're like, bullied and victimized when you do, or because of burnout and masking. Like, unless that is part of your experience.
I feel like that's also in the, if we're drawing a line, that would be in the line of like, are you autistic? Like, is moving through neuro normative spaces cause distress for you. I mean, if we're getting specific, you know, with the diagnostic criteria, it has to cause impact to functioning. And that could be emotional, of like the emotional turmoil of navigating our normative spaces.
But if a person's not experiencing disability around it… Now, I mean, I guess we could get a little bit more nuanced, if they're living in really ideal conditions, where they're in an environment that is fully accommodated, and it's therefore not disabling, but like, outside of creating the perfect ecosystem for an autistic person, if it's not disabling, that'd be another thing where it'd be hard to diagnose the autism.
PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head, honestly. I think that's exactly it. So, the context piece moving through neuro normative spaces, does it cause significant amounts of distress in area A, B, C?
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah.
PATRICK CASALE: I think that encapsulates it. And again, I really do think that there is a very different response, at least for me, and it sounds like for you, of everyone is a little bit autistic over here, everyone has autistic traits. Those feel very different to me. They're just, yeah.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah. So, okay, should we get into the part where we might disagree a little bit?
PATRICK CASALE: Sure.
MEGAN NEFF: So, I agree, I think that comment, I wish people would stop making it. It's an invalidating comment when people say everyone's a little bit autistic, even if they're not trying to be invalidating, it just lands that way for most of us.
The comeback to it has become the one I see a lot on social media, is like you either are autistic or you aren't right. And I guess if we're talking about, again, the felt experience, and we've just described some things that might draw that line, I guess I could kind of agree with that.
But the part where I'm like, oh, that doesn't feel literal enough for my brain, is like, yep, everyone does have autistic traits. And if we were to make a pie chart and a gradient, we'd see people with a lot of autistic traits. I actually see this a lot with ADHDers who have ADHD, have a lot of autistic traits, but they can perceive context, but they're having a lot of like, struggles with navigating neuro normative spaces because of the level of autistic traits.
And so, it's, well, what do we do with those folks? Like, when they hear, well, you're either autistic or you're not, what if you've got 80%, like, you know, what if you're so close to that threshold, but you're not quite there. And so, that's where I don't love that sentence, you either are or you aren't. I don't necessarily disagree with it, but I think it's just a little bit too simplistic. And then, that could be invalidating, I think, for people who perhaps identify with the broader autistic phenotype.
And I know that even that idea of the broader autistic phenotype, some people see that as problematic, because they're like, well, that's just autistic people who mask. But I look at that and I'm like, "Well, maybe those are those people that have a lot of autistic traits but don't quite reach that threshold." So, maybe it is helpful to have language for them. So, I don't know, partly, I think I'm being very literal with it, but that's why I don't love that sentence.
PATRICK CASALE: So, I don't think this is, like, as controversial as you're saying when you describe it like that, because when we were talking the other day, I think we both had different reactions when we were talking about the statement. And you kind of went into that, but not in the context that you just gave. And I think when you say it like that, I'm like, yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me. So, I don't have much disagreement to that.
I do understand why people, especially with maybe more like medium or higher support needs, autistics, who are like, "Stop trying to claim our fucking identities." Like, you know, when we use that black and white terminology of you are autistic or you're not, I think for a lot of people who openly struggle significantly more, they're like, you know, I can't speak for them, but I can understand why that would be a point of contention.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Especially if, you know, it's disabling or it's not, right? And we've talked about this, holding on to it as a disability. And I know there's different opinions on this. I think it's really important. And so, yeah, from that framework, absolutely, I also agree with what you're saying, of it's important to have some black and white around that, yeah. So, maybe like-
PATRICK CASALE: [CROSSTALK 00:29:35]-
MEGAN NEFF: Oh, go ahead.
PATRICK CASALE: I just think it's about protection, you know? Like, it's about, like, holding on to something that, although creates so much struggle, is just a part of who we are at our core, and I think it's hard to relinquish that, too.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that gets back to the invalidation and minimizing. It's really minimizing when people say or even like, that happened a lot with my parenting, too. If I was describing, like, how family holidays were hard or routine changes, I think, again, in an empathic misattunement, people may be trying to relate of like, oh yeah, I think family vacations are hard for everyone. It's like you don't understand the level of what we're describing here.
PATRICK CASALE: It's a great example, yeah, exactly, because it would be at its like face value. It's like, yeah, of course, life's hard for everybody. It's like, yeah, life is hard for everybody. And I think there are, like, tiers of certain things that are significantly harder for some people.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, absolutely. So, I wonder if an accurate response to that, everyone's a little bit autistic, would be, well, yeah, everyone has autistic traits, and the experience of being autistic is pretty distinct. And if a person's not disabled, or if they're not struggling to navigate neuro normative spaces, then it can be harmful to say everyone's a bit autistic. Okay, that's way too wordy. That's not actually a good feedback, but something that captures like, yes, everyone has autistic traits, and this experience is a distinct experience that not everyone gets a little dose of.
PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that. Yeah. I think we came into this, like, "We might disagree on these things." But I don't really disagree with what you're saying. So, it's a good breakdown of a common misconception and statement that is thrown around in a lot of spaces. So, I think that wraps that up.
MEGAN NEFF: That's a wrap.
PATRICK CASALE: I don't know what else to say.
MEGAN NEFF: Okay.
PATRICK CASALE: I'm like, “On to the next episode.” Yeah.
MEGAN NEFF: Onward and forward.
PATRICK CASALE: Unless you have any final thoughts. But I think that was a good final thought.
MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, no, I think I feel like we can conclude this conversation, Patrick.
PATRICK CASALE: We are the most awkward humans on planet Earth. And it's brought to you on all podcast platforms and YouTube every Friday by Jane app. Use code DCPOD for two months off your service. See you next week. Bye.
